Exploitation and compensation
The dark side of internships. We explore the law; ‘Dodgy’ names and shames internships that might be flouting it. Plus an interview with Amalia Illgner, a UK intern taking Monocle to court for unpaid wages. Starting Somewhere gets serious!
With 80% of internships unpaid, especially in the media, creative and marketing industries the number of people who can do them is immediately limited. If you don't have the resources to support yourself while you work for free then internships won’t work for you. We explore what this means for the makeup of the labour force in Australia, social mobility and the law, with Interns Australia director Jack Kenchington Evans, and ‘Dodgy’ the person behind the ‘Dodgy Internships Australia’ Twitter feed, naming and shaming firms who appear not to be complying with Australia's fair work legislation.
We answer the question, can a good internship be unfair? And is that OK sometimes?
If you have any stories about dodgy internships or standing your ground, we would love to hear them. Send them to: email@example.com
Some of the companies and websites we mentioned in this episode:
- Dodgy Internships Australia: https://twitter.com/dodgyinternship?lang=en
- Interns Australia - advocating for fairer internships: http://internsaustralia.org.au/
- NAB Bank: https://www.nab.com.au/about-us/careers
- Maribyrnong and Moonee Valley Local Learning Network: http://www.mmvllen.org.au/
- University of Melbourne Counselling and Psychological Services: https://services.unimelb.edu.au/counsel/resources
- Fair Work Ombudsman: www.fairwork.gov.au
- Glassdoor - intern and company reviews: https://www.glassdoor.com.au
This episodes features contributions from the following people and organisations.
- Lauren Berger, CEO/Founder InternQueen.com: https://www.internqueen.com/content/about-lauren-berger
- Amalia Illgner - Freelance Writer: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/27/why-im-suing-over-my-dream-internship
- Jack Kenchington-Evans, Industrial Officer, Lawyer, Director at Internships Australia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-kenchington-evans-2514b590/
- Rem Tzambasis of NAB, manager, Strategic Partners and Programs: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rem-tzambazis-86b47930/
- Dan Silver, COO Stake, Fintech startup: https://stake.com.au/
- Pieta Spencer, People and Culture Advisor at ShineWing Australia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pietaspencer/
- Charis Palmer, Deputy Editor/Chief of Staff, The Conversation: https://theconversation.com/au/team
- Alexandra Alvaro, Student Reporter at Student Youth Network (SYN): https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandra-alvaro-050064108/
- Professor Glyn Davis AC, Vice-Chancellor, University of Melbourne
- Anna Lemcke - Project Manager - MMVLLEN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-lemcke-32260470/
- Dr Dan Woodman is TR Ashworth Associate Professor of Sociology in the School of Social and Political Sciences: https://findanexpert.unimelb.edu.au/display/person19920
- Hayley Smedding and Rebecca Ashton of Tandem Partners HR: https://www.tandempartners.com.au/meet-the-team
- Hamish Taylor, Academic Tutor at Ormond College, The University of Melbourne: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrhamishtaylor/
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Supervising producer and
Dr Andi Horvath
Buffy Gorrilla is an award-winning audio journalist and a recent graduate of the University of Melbourne’s Master of Journalism programme. Buffy has been a producer at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's (ABC) Radio National and ABC Radio Melbourne. Following a successful internship, Buffy is currently working with RN’s Blueprint for Living. She is also the producer for the Masterclass podcast from the University of Melbourne Centre for Advancing Journalism.
Ben Pawson is a communications professional that helps organisations and leaders connect to their stories. With experience across the education, arts, disability, science communication and technology sectors he did an internship in fundraising in Scotland after an MBA in France before that worked on blue chip design and marketing projects before changing careers.